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Jun 1, 2010

The oddest piece...

A CNA article appears today quoting an unnamed official. The very weird part is the unnamed official is supposedly only reminding us of things we know....

The article opens as follows:

On June 3rd, the Referendum Review Committee will review the ECFA Referendum application. [An unnamed] source from [the ruling] party and government administration stated that the Mainland Affairs Council and Economic Ministry have already made the government's position clear: as the ECFA mainly involves land taxes and investment issues, it is not a topic that can be brought to referendum....

At the public hearing [held by the Referendum Review Committee on the 27th], the MAC and MOE argued that the ECFA had provisions related to land taxes and investment, and therefore could not be a topic for referendum [according to the Referendum Act]. Furthermore, once the ECFA is signed, it will be sent to the Legislature for review, and only after its review has been passed will it take effect. The Legislature has complete oversight over the process and there is no need for an additional referendum. The Referendum Review Committee ought to reject the application, they argued.

The source from the party and government administration said that the MAC and MOE had already made the government's attitude clear. As far as the final decision on the ECFA referendum petition went, the government would respect the Referendum Review Committee's decision.

6月3日公審會將審議ECFA公投案。黨政人士今天表示,陸委會與經濟部已表明政府態度,主張涉及租稅、投資為主要內容的ECFA,不得作為公投的提案。...

陸委會與經濟部代表在公聽會主張,ECFA包含「租稅」及「投資」事項,不得作為公投的提案;且兩岸簽署ECFA後須送立法院審議,審議通過後才生效,國 會完全監督,沒有再公投必要,認為公審會應駁回公投案。

黨政人士說,陸委會與經濟部已清楚說明政府的態度,對於ECFA公投最後的准駁結果,政府尊重公審會的決定。

Why would this source wish to remain unnamed unnamed? That's what puzzles me the most, if they are just discussing a matter of public record. I feel like something else is going on there but can't really pin-point a reason for this odd anonymity.

The government's position is not far-fetched, considering Article 2 of the referendum law states:
No proposal of referendum may be raised for any matters regarding budgeting, taxation, investment, salary and personnel affairs.
The matters subject to referendum shall be recognized by the Referendum Review Commission (hereinafter referred to as "the Review Commission").
If you reject the government's theory, you can't argue that the referendum only deals with the question of whether the government ought to sign an abstract economic agreement with China (regardless of content). If you make that argument, you'll get rejected on these grounds:
Instead, it asks the public to vote on something that has not yet happened — since the ECFA is not a concrete policy yet. Hence, we decided that the petition did not meet the criteria for a referendum as stipulated in the Referendum Act (公民投票法),” committee chairman Chao Yung-mau (趙永茂) said....
But you can argue that in theory, any national referendum topic affecting government policy at all would affect the budget-- the KMT's 2008 referendum campaign for rejoining the UN would clearly have required budgeting UN dues if successful, since UN by-laws would require Taiwan to pay. But the intention of the Referendum Law is clearly not to bar all referendum topics; the degree of separation between a referendum topic and the budget/tax/investment details must exempt it from rejection on these grounds. In this case, the topic is on the signing of an ECFA rather than the ECFA's tax or investment related contents -- and therefore the referendum does not touch on the verboten topics.

I don't know if this argument would be taken into account by the committee, but I think 2008 sets enough of a precedent for at least an argument on these lines.

Apr 13, 2010

ECFA Referendum

The TSU has announced that volunteers collected 120,000 signatures in support of a referendum on the ECFA. As you may recall, the signatures and petition will soon go before the Executive Yuan's Referendum Evaluation Committe -- probably by the end of the month, according to the TSU. As the Taipei Times notes, only 86,000 valid sigs are needed to get past "stage one," so the list should be safe.

Yet that committee, made up entirely of Ma appointees, roundly rejected a similar petition last August. The previously rejected topic was:

「你是 否同意台灣與中國簽訂之經濟合作架構協議(ECFA),政府應交付台灣人民公民投票決定?」

Do you agree that the government ought to put an economic cooperation framework agreement (ECFA) signed between Taiwan and China to a referendum before the Taiwanese people?
This time, the question asks:
你是否同意政府與中國簽訂「兩岸經濟合作架構協議」 (簡稱「兩岸經濟協議」或ECFA)?

Do you agree that the government should sign a cross-Strait economic framework agreement with China (often called a cross-Strait economic agreement or an ECFA)?
The new wording gets around most of the Referendum Evaluation Committee's previous objections, but the committee could still have one excuse it used last time:
Instead, it asks the public to vote on something that has not yet happened — since the ECFA is not a concrete policy yet. Hence, we decided that the petition did not meet the criteria for a referendum as stipulated in the Referendum Act (公民投票法),” committee chairman Chao Yung-mau (趙永茂) said....
We'll see what happens around early May...but don't expect the Committee to rule differently, even if the public is less likely to buy the sole excuse "the ECFA is not concrete policy" this time around.

Aug 28, 2009

ECFA referendum request rejected

Lōa Io̍k-sin of the Taipei Times has the story of the day, which is being overshadowed the usual gossip and, of course, the Dalai Lama's impending visit. But I find this committee's 13-4 decision shocking and really didn't see this coming. Key paragraphs below.

The Executive Yuan's Referendum Review Committee yesterday turned down a petition submitted by the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) asking for a referendum on the economic cooperation framework agreement (ECFA) that the government plans to sign with China....

The majority of committee members felt that the question in the referendum petition was not clear enough,” committee chairman Chao Yung-mau (趙永茂) told a news conference after the meeting. “It does not ask the public to express its opinion on a proposal of a legislative principle, a major policy decision, or concrete issues of a major policy.”

Instead, it asks the public to vote on something that has not yet happened — since the ECFA is not a concrete policy yet. Hence, we decided that the petition did not meet the criteria for a referendum as stipulated in the Referendum Act (公民投票法),” he said....

Holding a referendum on whether a referendum should be held is not a question that can be asked in a referendum as stipulated in the Referendum Act,” Chao said.

The committee is composed 100% of Ma appointees. But could it be that politics is not the main factor here? To evaluate how reasonable this decision is, we have to take another look at the referendum wording:
「你是否同意台灣與中國簽訂之經濟合作架構協議(ECFA),政府應交付台灣人民公民投票決定?」

Do you agree that the government ought to put an economic cooperation framework agreement (ECFA) signed between Taiwan and China to a referendum before the Taiwanese people?
The DPP got a lot of flack for this phrasing -- it simply asks people if they want a referendum later instead of asking people if they want an ECFA outright -- but in retrospect, you could also say they predicted the committee's objections!

Instead of trying to reject a hypothetical ECFA, the referendum asks if the public wants the government to submit this future agreement to referendum. That wording seems to override committee objections, being both clear and asking the public to make a concrete policy decision -- specifically, whether the public should have direct oversight of the final wording of the ECFA.

The final objection, that you can't hold a referendum on whether there should be a referendum, seems to me to not be addressed by the Referendum Act at all, and is a subjective reading of the statute. To reach that conclusion, you'd have to argue that referendum oversight is not a concrete issue of a major policy.

There is one sense in which the DPP question may be unclear -- namely, that if the ECFA that is signed between Taiwan and China and then goes to referendum, what happens if the public rejects it? The ECFA would already be signed. Does it have to be shredded? That's clearly the DPP intent, though the referendum wording does not specify the end game.

More from the article:
National Taiwan University law professor Chen Miao-fen (陳妙芬), who voted in favor of the petition, said that she did not endorse the committee's conclusion.

“We didn't have a thorough discussion before the chairman called a vote on it,” Chen said, adding that while the meeting started at 2pm, they did not start discussing details of the proposal until around 3:30pm and that Chao rushed to close the discussion and call a vote at 5:30pm.

“We voted on whether to close the discussion, and the result was 9 to 9, meaning that half of the people still thought that we needed more time,” she said. “But the chairman ruled to end the discussion — I thought it was quite abrupt.”
Democratic process at work!
The DPP is expected to file an appeal.
That appeal, would go to the Central Election Commission.

Jun 15, 2009

ECFA referendum efforts

The DPP has more or less settled on the following wording:

「你是否同意台灣與中國簽訂之經濟合作架構協議(ECFA),政府應交付台灣人民公民投票決定?」

Do you agree that the government ought to put an economic cooperation framework agreement (ECFA) signed between Taiwan and China to a referendum before the Taiwanese people?
I think it will do, but time is short and a failure to pass the referendum would be pretty demoralizing. Expect another boycott by the KMT, which will argue a referendum is unnecessary.

Jun 5, 2009

ECFA referendum

The DPP and TSU are consolidating their efforts to prepare for a referendum on the upcoming ECFA Ma will likely sign with China by the end of the year.

The current DPP text is:

「是否贊成政府與中國簽定經貿協議應提交人民公投」
"Should the government subject economic agreements signed with the mainland China to popular referendum?" [whoops! Thanks for the correction commenters, not sure how such things could slip into my head...]
While the TSU is planning to go with:
「你是否同意政府與中國簽訂ECFA」
"Do you believe the government should sign an ECFA with China?"
I think the DPP text is more useful in that 1) it avoids the problem of Ma changing the name or scope of the agreement, thus getting around the referendum results 2) It's asking people should later approve by referendum the full text of the final agreement (the details of which are still mostly opaque; no drafts have been presented).

This conveniently places the DPP in a moderate position 'of advocating for a referendum on economic agreements with China in principle, as South American countries have done for free trade agreements involving the Western Hemisphere ; the DPP is not using this referendum to shoot down the ECFA directly, at least not yet.

My hope is that the final text agreed upon by the TSU and DPP is essentially identical to the DPP version. There should probably be an ultimate decision by next Wed.

Jun 2, 2009

Round up

Three things this afternoon: First is the previously announced DPP intention to hold a referendum on the ECFA, with the first stage of signature collection to be finished by the end of July. I have been waiting for the exact wording of the referendum proposal, but even the DPP newsletter doesn't contain that information, so I can forget about finding it in the media reports. I don't think they've actually decided on the wording, which means they can't get the petition drive started yet. Brilliant.

Next, the widely despised NCC finally announced that Wantwant group cannot take over CTV and China Times as it had planned. Wantwant is not happy and will fight this. Perhaps finally, now that the NCC has angered blue politicians, the organization will be banished or significantly reformed, years after the Constitutional Court here declared the current method for choosing that body to be unconstitutional.

However, the more likely result will be mild reform that leaves the NCC responsibilities and rights more or less intact, while just changing how members are chosen. More on this topic to come, as English media has not picked it up yet.

Third, the DPP has raised a bill that would prevent Chinese government or military officials from investing in Taiwan, and lock all Chinese investors out of certain industries. The bill will be discussed during Friday's legislative session.

Jul 30, 2008

KMT still hates referenda

No surprise here...
The government will not follow the previous administration’s strategy of using the name “Taiwan” to apply to join the UN, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA) said yesterday....

In tandem with this March’s presidential race, the pan-blue camp pitched a referendum asking voters to support a bid to “return” to the UN or any other international organization using a “pragmatic” and “flexible” title.

A pan-green backed UN referendum asked voters to support an application for UN membership under the name “Taiwan.”

Both proposals failed to reach the necessary threshold to be valid.

“As a result of the failure of the referendums, we cannot use the word ‘return’ or ‘join’ in our UN entry strategy this year,” said Chen, adding that the administration had not yet decided on whether to use “Chinese Taipei” in its bid as suggested by President Ma Ying-jeou (馬英九) during his campaign.
OK, this is clever of the blue camp but total B.S. The referendums were not rejected in any legal sense; there was not a "no" vote that resulted in the failure of either of them. Instead they simply didn't reach the absurdly high voter threshold and were invalid. That does not mean the government can't try to use "return" or "join" this year; neither did the failure to pass the 2004 referendum meant Taiwan could not buy missiles from the US, as the KMT then claimed.

So the KMT is displaying their tactic of dealing with referendums. You can't get people to vote "no" on it, so boycott it, split up the ballot stations, and call it "manipulative electoral strategy" instead of "empowering the people" even when you're pushing your own referendum. When less than half of all eligible voters pick up a ballot, call it a rejection to make the result sound more legally binding than it is.

Jun 20, 2008

Jinmen-Xiamen bridge being considered

According to the Executive Yuan. We will see -- that would be a big project requiring construction coordination from both sides, and I suspect would be very difficult. I'm not the only one.

Meanwhile, KMT legislator Gen Shuai Hua-min (帥化民) (Retired) is suggesting Jinmen people hold a referendum on removing the military troops stationed there, which the Premier sensibly considered dangerous if people were inadequately educated on the potential danger of such a move.

Mar 19, 2008

Blues: The greens should hold a Tibet referendum

In response to Green calls to Taiwanese to pass the UN entry referendum to inspire the Tibetans hope for freedom and democracy and condemn China, the KMT legislative caucus suggested the DPP should push an entirely different referendum on the topic.

Mar 13, 2008

TSU's Wu Yu-hsue: seperate election, referendumds

He's the TSU's man on the CEC, and he'll bring it up tomorrow at the CEC meeting as a resolution.

There is some possibility, given the way things are looking, that the CEC will actually make the separation. We'll have to see.

WaPo: Taiwan Opposition Group Calls for Boycott of Name Referendum

This is exactly what I'm talking about (the headline was later altered to "Taiwan Referendum Faces Boycott," further confusing who is full of crap).

The KMT actually called for a promotion of their own referendum, which is the news here; their boycott of a nearly identical DPP referendum is hardly unexpected. But Washington Post took its cues from the blue and Chinese media, who spun it exactly the same way, focusing on the boycott part (to boost its chances) and ignoring the KMT referendum promotion part (in hopes that blue supporters won't actually vote for it!).

In fact, WaPo goes on for five paragraphs slamming the UN referendum from all angles before finally mentioning in the sixth of nine paragraphs, almost as an afterthought, that

Wu said the Nationalist Party would continue to support the holding of a
separate referendum on U.N. membership. That measure, also on the March 22
ballot, will ask whether Taiwan should seek admission to the United Nations
under its official name, the Republic of China, or any other name deemed
suitable.

Actually, he ignores that the KMT referendum measure also very specifically asks if Taiwan should enter the UN under the name ROC, Taiwan, or any other practical name. Reporter Jane Rickards is at the point of intellectual dishonesty here.

And look how he closes it!
Philip Yang, a political scientist at National Taiwan University, said the Nationalist Party's boycott call means Chen's referendum measure faces an uphill battle. More than half of registered voters must support a referendum measure for it to pass, he noted, and polls show that Nationalist supporters outnumber Chen's.
The Nationalists' proposal is equally unlikely to pass, but it is considered less inflammatory since it sticks with the island's official name and thus is not considered an indirect attempt to move toward independence.

Notice no mention that Philip Yang is pro-KMT. Also, it's not that half of registered voters must support the referendum for it to pass, but half of them have to either vote yes or no on it. If a legislator needed half of registered voters to cast a ballot for or against him to get elected, we'd have an empty legislature.

The Chinese Nationalist Party's measure is less "inflammatory?" It also mentions Taiwan. Also, Rickards fails to mention that Beijing has crushed every attempt of Taiwan to re-enter the UN under the name Republic of China for over a decade now, because apparently that too is provocative.

Let's face it -- for domestic consumption, the KMT started this referendum so they didn't get totally slammed by the DPP. Then, in a bow to China, they shut up about their own referendum, and spun it as "less provocative" when they did talk about it because of the Republic of China part (while carefully avoiding any mention of "Taiwan"). In exchange, China reprinted only blue articles about the KMT referendum and focused all its energy on slamming the DPP referendum.

And finally, the international media fell for it.

Mar 12, 2008

NYT piece on TI

Update: Michael Turton does a better job on this one.

Taiwan’s Independence Movement Likely to Wane, runs the headline of Edward Wong's article. Let's get into it.

No matter who wins Taiwan’s fiercely contested presidential election on March 22, the fervent independence movement that has so agitated relations with mainland China in recent years seems destined to suffer a significant setback.
Agitating China probably has little to do with Taiwanese voters' decisions. Also, why is the Independence Movement described as fervent? If you ask me, it's been pretty complacent for at least the last four years, and really more like a decade or more.

Both candidates, Ma Ying-jeou and Frank Hsieh, want closer ties with Beijing, differing only in how quickly and to what degree they would strengthen relations. By calling for closer economic cooperation with China and rejecting any notions of separatism, they are repudiating the tough nationalist policies of the departing president, Chen Shui-bian, whose confrontational stance has angered officials in Beijing and Washington and has stirred anxiety among many Taiwanese.

I think the main difference is really about the preconditions for those closer economic ties, with Hsieh insisting on equal footing (no preconditions)for negotiations while Ma believes accepting "One China" provides equal footing. No question Chen Shui-bian is no longer the man of the hour; everyone wants some distance.

“Both sides will try to seek common ground and seek engagement across the straits,” said Philip Yang, a political scientist at National Taiwan University who has advised the Ma campaign. “If Ma is elected, the pace will be faster, and with bigger expectations.”

The pace will be faster because Beijing and the KMT likely already have some tactic agreements, but this is a pretty fair evaluation.

Mr. Ma, a Harvard-educated lawyer, is favored in polls and by political commentators to beat Mr. Hsieh, who is from the Democratic Progressive Party, or D.P.P., of Mr. Chen and is campaigning in his shadow.

Ma is not a lawyer. He is favored in polls. Hsieh is a human rights lawyer. Why leave that out? And why leave out what Ma actually did with his career?

Mr. Ma’s party, the Kuomintang, governed Taiwan for 51 years, often with an iron grip, before Mr. Chen was elected in 2000. The Kuomintang’s revival this year is
rooted in widespread disenchantment with Mr. Chen, whose party took power on a wave of optimism.

Fair. But shouldn't "sometimes ruled Taiwan with an iron fist" be "ruled Taiwan with an iron fist using the world's longest period of martial law?"

Mr. Chen initially tapped a vein of support among many Taiwanese for steps to promote Taiwan’s separate identity. Those feelings ran especially deep among
people whose families had lived in Taiwan for generations and did not have close
political ties to mainland China. Many Taiwanese also hoped that Mr. Chen would
end the corruption and authoritarianism associated with the Kuomintang.

I would have reversed the order. Chen's calls for reform got him elected in 2000 more than identity issues.

Instead, Mr. Chen has been mired in corruption scandals involving close relatives. Also, his tireless efforts to promote independence created constant tension with the mainland and led to disagreements with the United States, which has helped guarantee Taiwan’s security but has discouraged unilateral steps by either side to change the island’s political status.

What are those "tireless efforts to promote independence?" Insisting that Taiwan does not belong to the PRC? By that measure, all candidates have said something to the effect, although the KMT position is so wrapped up in contradictions its hard even for them to make heads or tails of it. Also, practically speaking, there is little or nothing Taiwan can do to unilaterally change the status quo except as defined by Beijing, which is defining it based on fiction as opposed to some reality.

In the end, Mr. Chen alienated people in the broad center of the electorate who say they support the status quo and who depend on strengthening economic ties across the Taiwan Strait. As he finishes his second term, his popularity ratings are in the 20s.

This confuses the issue: what is the status quo? Lack of war? De facto independence? One China? According to the most recent opinion polls, people would say de facto independence, which sort of changes the spin on this, doesn't it? I mean, really this is the crux of the issue. If you suggest the independence movement is on the wane, you're right that the idea that Taiwan must make an active declaration of independence from the PRC and throw off the ROC government and constitution is basically dead. That hardly means people have stopped believing in de facto independence or that they no longer hope to enjoy de jure independence.

And Chen's low popularity has everything to do with the scandals and stagnant wages.

Despite his troubles, he has prepared a parting shot: a nonbinding referendum on March 22 that asks Taiwanese whether they want to apply for the United Nations under the name Taiwan rather than the island’s formal name, the Republic of China. Taiwan left the United Nations in 1971 when the General Assembly recognized the Communists as China’s legitimate government.

What about the KMT's referendum? Every one's doing exactly as the CCP and KMT do, ignoring the KMT initiative and focusing only on the DPP's as "provocative." The CCP surely considers the KMT measure provocative too, but doesn't wish to say so since the KMT is doing the job for them by not pushing their own referendum. And characterizing a vote as a "parting shot?"

Mr. Ma, in trying to establish himself as a centrist voice, has criticized the referendum and other government policies aimed at stoking nationalist sentiments. “The D.P.P.’s drive toward de jure independence led only to Taiwan’s internal decay and international isolation,” Mr. Ma, 57, said at a recent news conference. “It is therefore high time for both Taiwan and the mainland to revert to what I call the three noes: no talks on reunification during my term of office, no pursuit of de jure independence and no use of force by either side.”

Again, this only makes him a centrist if you pretend there is no KMT referendum and ignore that the vast majority of Taiwanese want to be in the UN.

Many of the policies proposed by Mr. Ma and Mr. Hsieh, 61, are similar, though Mr. Ma appears more willing to engage directly with Beijing. Mr. Ma has said he will increase the number of charter flights across the straits and explore opening up commercial flights, all to spur the economy, which voters see as a major issue. He has also said he supports increasing tourism in Taiwan from the mainland and lifting many government limits on cross-straits investment.

As we all know, the economic policies are fairly similar, with Ma backtracking on several promises and trying to insist at this point he would really limit a lot of free trade issues, effectively making his position closer to Hsieh's.

Mr. Ma said he would ensure that the defense budget was equal to at least 3 percent of Taiwan’s gross domestic product. The military needs “to be strong enough to deter an initial attack from the mainland,” he said.

No comments on how they've actually handled the arms budget or how this statement flies in the face of years of their policy.

Since campaigning began in earnest, Mr. Ma has been dogged by issues of character, with Mr. Hsieh relentlessly questioning him on having received United States permanent residency. Critics of Mr. Hsieh, also a lawyer, say raising the character issue is a sign of his desperation, as his party tries to battle back from a painful defeat in legislative elections in January. The vote, in which the Kuomintang won almost three-quarters of 113 parliamentary seats, was generally seen as a referendum on Mr. Chen’s leadership.

I'd say that's a pretty fair paragraph.

“We’re operating against the tide,” said Hsiao Bi-khim, a former legislator and a spokeswoman for Mr. Hsieh, who has declined to meet with foreign journalists. “Our defeat in the parliamentary elections on the one hand has brought our party spirits to a low point, but has also brought on a sense of urgency.”

That's some honesty from Bi-khim. You go, girl! It's interesting that Hsieh is shunning foreign journalists at this point. Maybe you have to blame the DPP for the lack of a green perspective in international media, then.

To distance himself from Mr. Chen, Mr. Hsieh has called for maintaining the status quo, rather than pushing for independence, and has proposed allowing direct Chinese investment in Taiwan and lifting limits on Taiwanese investment in China. He has also said little about the United Nations referendum, although many party members continue to say it is important.
“We see China as a giant with its hands around our neck, trying to suffocate us, trying to shut off our space on the international stage,” he said. The referendum, she added, “is an expression of the desire of the Taiwanese people for its space, to be part of the international community, to join international organizations. It’s not about declaring independence. It’s not about changing the legal status of Taiwan.”

It's hard to tell if this quote is from Bi-khim or Frankie. But in any case, I tend to agree.

Nevertheless, American officials continue to warn Taiwan not to provoke China.
In Beijing on Feb. 26, Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice said, “this referendum is not going to help anyone, and, in fact, it shouldn’t be held.”

Shelley Rigger, a professor of political science at Davidson College in North Carolina, who wrote a book about the D.P.P., said that because of Mr. Chen’s policies, “U.S.-Taiwan relations are about as bad as they’ve ever been.”


Well, sorry Condie, but too late! And how can a vote that can't change the reality at the UN really be considered provocative? Also, Rigger seems to be basically correct on the point about US-Taiwan relations.

“The U.S. is very eager for the new administration to take office because there’s considerable concern in Washington that Chen Shui-bian could still destabilize matters even before inauguration,” she added. In Mr. Chen’s tenure the government carried out domestic policies centered on Taiwanese nationalism, such as promoting a Taiwanese dialect.

He certainly will have some card up his sleeve should Ma win. But tying the promotion of Holo Taiwanese (and labeling it a dialect) to nationalism is a gross oversimplification taken out of context. The DPP has also promoted Hakka, Aboriginal language education and standardization and has worked to put Filipino, Thai and Vietnamese language soap operas on public TV to recognize the demographic influx of speakers of those languages. And this claim ignores the fact that these languages were all actively repressed for 50 years, to such a degree that Holo Taiwanese, Hakka and all Aboriginal tongues are endangered. Mandarin is still also the only language government documents are published in.

The DPP language policy is simply not related to nationalism, even if nationalists link language to their cause.

Swarchy thinks referendums don't have a chance

Not surprising.
Lee Teng-hui also predicts Ma will beat Hsieh by 10 percentage points.

KMT will encourage "return to the UN" ballot

In about as low key a way as possible. After weeks of KMT heavyweights making a ton of noise about rejecting the referendums, KMT chairman Wu Po-hsiung finally stated the official party policy of asking its voters to take the "return to the UN" ballot while boycotting the DPP's ballot.

The KMT will also "respect" voters who don't wish to take either ballot.

This will probably doom both referendums, unless the DPP makes a huge publicity push and focuses all their attention on supporting the KMT referendum, saying they'll support it since it has bi-partisan support. The KMT probably won't play along, though, and you won't see a joint rally or hear a lot of noise from them about this anymore.

Mar 11, 2008

DPP referendum draft frozen in procedural committee

With ten days left before the election and four days for a potential compromise, The DPP draft referendum bill went before the procedural committee today. This bill was bottled up by the KMT, which controls all committees, and will not be on the next legeslative agenda.

The DPP amendments, which make holding a referendum easier and lower the turnout threshold, are being floated with an implicit promise that the referendum date would be moved in the event that the threshold is lowered. A different referendum date could, in turn, make a boycott of the referendums less likely and increase the chances that both will pass.

DPP presidential candidate Frank Hsieh said the DPP has already yielded on its position twice and hopes the compromise will be adequate to satisfy the KMT. He expressed his fear that a boycotted or rejected referendum bid on entering the UN would hurt Taiwan's international position.

Unless something big happens in the next three days, the referendums will go ahead with the elections.

Mar 10, 2008

Referendum compromise stalled... for now?

As part of the possible work toward the compromise on lowering the referendum threshold in conjunction with altering the referendum date, the DPP presented a bill that would have been a pretty comprehensive reform of the original referendum bill and very much mold it as the DPP originally had hoped.

The bill would abolish the referendum review committee; make constitutional amendments and territory issues viable ground-up referendum topics; give both the executive and the legislature control over those two controversial topics, instead of just the legislature; lower the signature threshold for initiating a referendum review from about 80,000 to about 5,000; lower the final required signature count from about 800,000 to about 240,000; lower required voter turnout from the current 50% of eligible voters to 25%; keep the 50% voter turnout requirement for constitutional amendments and territory issues; and finally, remove the requirement that issues rejected in a referendum may not be reintroduced for three years.

KMT legislator John Wu Chih-yang (吳志揚) argued against the DPP's new voter turnout threshold, saying a 25% turnout threshold would make a boycott virtually impossible (any one big party could easily mobilize its supporters alone to vote on the issue and pass any referendum), creating what he described as a "dangerous and unstable social environment."

He has apparently never heard of the idea of just casting a "no" ballot.

The premier notes that this issue must be resolved this week if the referendum and election are to be separated, or else the CEC won't have time to stop the ballot distribution and change related plans.

Mar 7, 2008

UN resolution

Today, the disgustingly anti-reform KMT-dominated legislature was planning to bring up a bill that will call for Taiwan to (re)enter the UN under some "suitable name." It is meant as a "replacement" for the referendums, but as far as I know the CEC has no authority to cancel the referendums, but could reschedule them. Now that the idea of a compromise is in the air, this bill is on hold to give the parties time to negotiate. Apparently, there's home a joint resolution can be passed next week. I still don't see the political advantage for the KMT in this though, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

Should some compromise be worked out about holding the referendum and election seperately, for which the DPP wants a lower threshold in exchange, the CEC has indicated seven days before the election would be adequate time to make the necessary procedural changes.

Another bill going to the soon would create a mechanism for Taiwanese citizens to cast ballots while abroad, I think through polling stations in foreign countries but perhaps through mail. The green camp promises to keep China out of any such deal, for fear of wide-spread and CCP backed voter fraud.

Update: No compromise today. The green camp insisted any legislative resolution on entering the UN should include support for both the DPP and KMT backed referendums, a condition the blue camp would not accept.

Mar 6, 2008

Referendum developments

After meeting with the TSU chairman yesterday, President Chen Shui-bian suggested that if the KMT was willing to amend the referendum law to lower "the threshold" (of signatures and voter turnout), he would be willing to find a way to hold the referendum and general election separately.

Wang has been somewhat receptive to the idea, but time is running out. Other KMT officials have been less kind, saying that the DPP should separate the elections first and that the threshold can be discussed later.

In practice, should this work, it would involve amending the referendum law to both lower the threshold and forbid holding the elections together. Both parties would then support the measure.

I honestly believe this would be a really good compromise, but the KMT gets no political advantage from it. If the elections are held separately, they can't claim the DPP is kidnapping the election; if the threshold is lowered, referendums are more likely to pass, something they don't like in principal; and it would make it obvious the DPP really does care more about the referendum in principal and having Taiwan's voice heard than it cares about "mobilizing voters."

Feb 26, 2008

Taiwan Thinktank: Referendum support low

A survey by the Taiwan Thinktank released this afternoon indicated that while 64% of Taiwanese people support Taiwan applying to enter the UN under the name "Taiwan," only 46% support the current referendum efforts being pushed by the KMT and DPP while 31.6% oppose. Notice the 22% not replying.

This is good news and bad; it means that if the KMT follows the DPP's line and throws its weight behind both referendums (and I'm not counting on it), they could well pass; if not, they could well fail.

Should the referenda fail, do you think the international media will generously write that most people actually support spirit, but either opposed holding the referendum or holding the referendum in conjunction with the election?

Feb 13, 2008

DPP to support KMT referendum as well

After ridiculing the KMT for essentially faking their support for the "return to the UN" referendum that will be held on March 22 with the presidential election, the DPP decided to support the referendum regardless.

DPP caucus whip Ker Chien-Ming (柯建銘) explained the move as an effort to out-flank the KMT's likely plan to refuse to take the referendum ballots. The move was approved by both President Chen Shui-bian and Vice President Annette Lu.

There is an odd thing about the press coverage of the referendums: Western media coverage is clearly being driven by Chinese and Taiwanese media coverage instead of the facts. For example, far more attention has been paid to the DPP referendum than the KMT version, mostly because (1) The KMT doesn't say much itself about its own referendum bid, hoping people will forget all about it (2) The CCP appears to have some sort of tactic understanding on the issue with the KMT, and has focused its energy on slamming the DPP proposal while ignoring the KMT's referendum -- pretty much the same play the KMT is running and (3) The DPP has been relatively quiet on the KMT referendum as well, focusing on its own referendum without suggesting any official position on the KMT referendum.

Perhaps this strategic move will also refocus media attention.

We shall see how the KMT reacts. My guess is they will have some rumblings today about how the objection is not to referendums, but to "kidnapping" the election by using referendums; the party will then hold a central committee meeting to formulate an official response, especially with the first presidential debate approaching on 2.24; and finally, the party will officially decide to not take their own referendum ballot on the blatantly false premise that there's something perverted, illegal or anti-democratic about handing out all referendum ballots on the same day as an election.

Update: Looks like I was wrong. According to the China Times via People's Daily, the KMT spokesman welcomes the DPP's support for the KMT referendum, and internal KMT deliberations have decided that rejecting their own UN refrendum ballots would be "too hard" because the DPP could easily "put a red hat on the KMT's head" and accuse them of "singing in concert with the Chinese Communist Party." The KMT still said it opposed holding the referendum with the election in principal, however.

The KMT is holding out the option of asking their voters to not take the DPP's UN entry ballot while taking the KMT's UN reentry ballot, however.

Now this is really getting interesting. For both referendums to fail, I think you'd have to have either (a) a rejection of the referendum topics by the Taiwanese population, in spite of the position of all major parties or (b) continued efforts to actually downplay the referendum by the KMT.

I would note that when the details of Vincient Siew's secret meeting with the KMT leaked to the Apple Daily, one issue was that Siew promised the KMT wouldn't do anything different even if one or both of the referendum topics passed.

Update 2: maybe I spoke too soon. KMT is still asking for the elections to be held seperately, which is of course now impossible because of the CEC's decision -- which neither party can really do anything about.